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01.06.17

Launch of Crossrail trains pushed back by TfL

The introduction of the new Crossrail trains to run on Elizabeth Line services has been pushed back to this month, TfL has today confirmed.

Trains were supposed to be rolled out on services between Liverpool Street and Shenfield by the end of May. But now TfL has said that commuters will have to wait until later in June to see the new trains enter passenger service.

Howard Smith, TfL’s operations director for the Elizabeth Line, said: “The train is undergoing thorough testing, assurance and approvals before it enters passenger service shortly.

“Good progress is being made and we anticipate testing being completed within the next few weeks. “We continue to work closely with Bombardier, Network Rail and MTR Crossrail.”

Smith also confirmed that around 11 Elizabeth Line trains were being prepared to be rolled out from now until September along that part of the line, once the new train is in action.

The line between Liverpool Street and Shenfield will be the only part of the project to run services until next May, when services between Paddington and Heathrow terminal four will open.

Last month, upgrades on the Great Eastern Main Line were completed in preparation for Elizabeth Line trains to start running on the track.

And in April, RTM reported that major works to the ceiling of the Crossrail stations at Farringdon and Liverpool Street had been completed.

Today’s news also comes the same week that the High Court ruled that Heathrow would not be able to charge TfL to run Elizabeth Line trains going to the airport via the Heathrow Express.

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Comments

Andrew Gwilt   01/06/2017 at 21:06

Well I asked one of the staff at Shenfield today about the Class 345's that have been delayed and thankfully one of the staff said that the Class 345's will start passenger service from next week. But right now Im so disappointed.

London Commuter   01/06/2017 at 21:21

Mmmm. Must of been delayed because of more faults on the Class 345's. Probably that's why the Class 345's have been delayed because of a technical fault or a software problem. And some are still test runs.

London Commuter   01/06/2017 at 21:22

doing*

Thames Valley Rail User   02/06/2017 at 17:04

They need to add toilets to these trains to comply with disabled traveller comforts, babes-on-board, off peak & evening travellers. You are not going to wait 30mins for next one just to go off train to a loo!

John Grant   02/06/2017 at 19:51

@Thames Valley Rail User: unfortunately, DDA compliance begins and ends with step-free access. None of the trains operated by TfL/LU have toilets. It's a shame Crossrail couldn't have had proper trains, like Thameslink.

Adam   02/06/2017 at 21:02

They look great parked up and dirty at Crewe - closest we'll get to new commuter trains lol

Andrew Gwilt   03/06/2017 at 10:02

Well that's why TfL have ordered new trains with no toilets with Bombardier manufacturing the new Class 345's. The Class 710's for London Overground will also not feature toilets as these new Class 710's trains will be operated & used on the soon electrified Gospel Oak-Barking line, London Liverpool St-Cheshunt, Enfield Town via Seven Sisters/Edmonton Green & Chingford via Clapton Lea Valley lines, Romford-Upminster line and London Euston-Watford Junction DC line services.

Gabriel Oaks   05/06/2017 at 12:13

The lack of toilet provision on these trains is for many (disabled or otherwise) a complete disgrace. TfL should hang its head in shame. This is 2017 not 1917!

Mark Hare   05/06/2017 at 12:17

Tube trains don't have toilets, nor do Class 378s, why should the Class 345s? Most passengers will not be travelling the full length of the line, as long as stations have toilet facilities that are fit for purpose I don't see a problem. @John Grant - Thameslink routes cover a rather greater distance than Crossrail and I wouldn't expect someone making a journey from Bedford to Brighton to make do without any toilet facilities...

Gabriel Oaks   05/06/2017 at 16:06

Whilst tube trains don't have toilets the north-south Thameslink's new class 700 trains are equipped even though most of their passengers don't travel the full length of that line either. The criterion used to be providing toilets on journeys over 40 minutes; since then the number of passengers with disabilities is steadily increasing. For those with disabilities this can be a real problem - not always obvious until you've experienced it as a passenger with disabilities and not all disabilities are visibly obvious.

Mark Hare   06/06/2017 at 11:42

@Gabrel Oaks - Disabled access and provision of toilets are surely two separate subjects. Where a toilet is provided it should be accessible by a wheelchair. I don't believe there is any requirement to provide a toilet on suburban stock just for the use of disabled passengers. And as I said, Thameslink operate over a greater distance than Crossrail, so potentially someone may be travelling from Bedford to Brighton, a journey of some 2 1/2 hours. Nobody is going to be spending that length of time on a Class 345.

Dave Smith   06/06/2017 at 12:30

This lack of toilets seems to be a theme on the Liverpool Street line as the "improvements" on the Norwich train involved removing more than half the toilets and many of the other trains do not have working toilets later in the day.

John Grant   06/06/2017 at 13:22

@Mark Hare: The Disability Discrimination Act covers many medical conditions, not just those that confine the sufferer to a wheelchair. Crohn's disease and some forms of agoraphobia are just two examples where wheelchair access is irrelevant but toilet provision is important. Sufferers from such conditions are unlikely to be found holding mass rallies or chained to railings in Parliament Square, but the DDA definitely applies to them.

Thames Valley Rail User   08/06/2017 at 11:42

Tube trains do not have toilets, but this new line is much longer distance and there is already talk of further extension. Moreover, the existing trains on the western end of the route have toilets, so the replacements should also have same facility. TOILETS are a MUST, not a luxury.

John Gordon   08/06/2017 at 12:05

Tube trains stop at every station and run at very short intervals. So why do they need a toilet on board. The space taken up by several toilets will reduce the passenger capacity. and in this day and age become a security hazard.

Sean Trent   11/06/2017 at 22:29

I'm a commuter on TFL Overground waiting for the Crossrail 345 trains. A TFL member of staff at my station said there is a problem with the brakes - once they get to 50% or so they slam in to emergency brake mode. No idea if this is true or possible, but, hey, just passing on the info.

Nonsuchmike   21/06/2017 at 17:27

Today is the summer solstice. Have the new trains made an appearance as yet? Time is running short for them to be rolled out during June already. Or are TOCs becoming like Governments of late - saying one thing and meaning something completely different? Surely not!

Yubadei   11/07/2017 at 19:31

Looking forward to the new trains. Will be such a pleasure to get stuck on a train without toilets. The trains look good and will smell even better after a few month. Mind the gap is a thing of the past - mind the crap or mind the pissed seat are the future.

Lesley   15/07/2017 at 18:10

These trains run through GA stations where the loos are often closed. It won't be too long before they stink where people who need the loo use the train instead. I will be avoiding them if I can as I have a kidney problem that means I need the loo very often. I have no wish to pee in a corner.

Neil   04/09/2017 at 20:18

These trains are running between Liverpool and Shenfield. They will soon stink whether they have toilets or not.

Crazy Horse   31/10/2017 at 20:11

Trains without toilets in this day and age is a disgrace - can’t believe it wasn’t part of the ‘brief’? We’re not looking for gold plated taps and quilted bog-roll, but a basic toilet, c’mon Crossrail

Sue   15/11/2017 at 13:35

I wouldn't worry about lack of toilets. I have seen the new trains arriving at Liverpool Street for the first time this week (7.45 am) and, same as the old trains, they were packed to the rafters. Once tube travellers change to Crossrail it will be even worse. So I doubt you would be able to get to a toilet even if there was one.

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