London Underground and TfL

Andrew Gwilt   01/08/2017 at 02:21

I think the Second Phase of the Bakerloo Line extension will go from Lewisham to Hayes taking over the Hayes Line. As Phase One will be given the go ahead and 2 new stations on the Old Kent Road area to be built at various locations that the 2 new stations will be built as part of the Bakerloo Line extension. But the Bakerloo Line to Bromley North could be planned. What about the Victoria Line. Could the Victoria Line be given the go ahead to extend from Brixton to New Cross & New Cross Gate via Dulwich. Or the Victoria Line extended to West Croydon and/or East Croydon via Camberwell and from Walthamstow Central to South Woodford or Woodford where it will terminate at and to interchange with the Central Line.

Jimbo   01/08/2017 at 08:40

@Andrew Gwilt - The main reason why the Bakerloo line is beng extended is that it has spare capacity on it, particularly after the trains are replaced in the late-2020s. It makes sense to extend it to make use of that spare capacity. Once extended to Lewisham, that spare capacity is used up and the trains will be full in the central section, so there is little point in extending again if people are unable to use the trains in the central section because they are already full. Therefore, the Bakerloo is unlikely to be further extended. Similarly, the Victoria is already full in the central section and so is unlikely to be extended further. The Bakerloo is the only line currently with space capacity, hence this project. This is also why the Northern line extension to Battersea isn't going to Clapham Junction - it would just overload the central section of the line. Rather than extending existing lines, the way forward is to build new ones, such as Crossrail.

Noam Bleicher   01/08/2017 at 12:05

So responders welcomed the new services but not the construction works that are necessary to bring them about. In other news, responses suggest having cake and eating it is the preferred option.

Sonning Cutting   01/08/2017 at 13:53

I was rather hoping that AG would be going on holiday in August so that he could enjoy a month of quiet reflection and reading. His illiterate and inane comments have rather tested the rest of us during the last 12 months1

John Grant   01/08/2017 at 15:36

@Noam: I suspect it's a very skewed sample. Folks who want to use the service will respond to the consultation saying they're in favour, those who will be inconvenienced by the construction but don't want to use it will be against, very few others will be motivated to respond.

Geoff Arnaud Demprunt   01/08/2017 at 16:51

I agree with Andrew. An extended Victoria Line to Herne Hill on a loop plus an extension to Woodford are required but the eastern end must be above ground as far as possible to limit construction time and cost. The heaviest development centres around Tottenham Hale , Spurs Football Ground , Walthamstow Academy and Walthamstow Dogs. This could be achieved on the Surface with Cut and Cover and small sections of Tunnels , if done sensitively. The ribbon is small. Stations :- Northumberland Park ( North Eastern extremity of Depot Higham Hill Road ( junction Billet Road Crooked Billet ( Sainsbury Car Park) Highams Park ( Tesco Car Park) Woodford Station A train every 75 seconds in the peak would mean 48 trains an hour. 32 to Walthamstow Central, 16 to Woodford. It would require state of the art junctions at Seven Susters similar to Crossrail 1.

Geoff Arnaud Demprunt   01/08/2017 at 16:59

I estimate journey times of 32 mins Walthamstow Central to Brixton and 46 mins Woodford to Herne Hill and back around on a loop.

Regular User Of Bakerloo   01/08/2017 at 17:40

Interested in these extension proposals. Yes extend to Lewisham but not beyond. A second route could use the previous plan to Camberwell, then Peckham Rye, link via Brockley/Crofton Park to Rushey Green & Catford. Have had to get to those parts, existing leaves much to be desired. ALSO Bakerloo should be restored from Harrow back up to Watford. The Bakerloo with its heavy-duty 72 stock far better than the cheapo rubbish on the Central line.

Andrew Gwilt   02/08/2017 at 01:31

@Sonning Cutting. YOU NEED TO SHUT UP THEN. MORON. SO YOU RECKON I HAVE BEEN PESTERING PEOPLE AROUND WITH MY COMMENTS FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS. RUBBISH. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TROLL.

Andrew Gwilt   02/08/2017 at 01:36

If only there was a "Report Comment" so that this argument won't be shown.

Alistair   02/08/2017 at 16:26

@AGwilt. Your response to Sonning Cutting is totally un-necessary and far ruder than his. OK you may not like what he said but nevertheless it is true that you do smother this site with constant repettive, inaccurate and irrelevant comments that do mar the quality of the site's content. No doubt you will now call me a Troll also, but that doesn't remove the truth!

Geoff Arnaud Louis Demprunt   02/08/2017 at 18:16

Jimbo, I take yout point on a line like the Northern and even the Bakerloo but surely it's just a matter of signalling . More trains means less waiting on platforms and smoother access and egress. Victoria Line has a train every 100 seconds, what's the technical limit 60 seconds, my plan has 75 seconds. The real answer is a more flexible economy, 9-5 creates unecessary peaks.

Andrew Gwilt   03/08/2017 at 01:49

@Alistair. Whatever.

Peter Jarvis   03/08/2017 at 12:13

And what other improvements in the North will be cut to fund this?

John Grant   03/08/2017 at 15:34

@Geoff, it's not just signalling, it's also how long the doors are open, including whether you can get them shut promptly. Certainly that's quicker per train if you have more trains for the same number of passengers, so fewer passengers per train. But there comes a point where overcrowding means doors don't shut promptly, which reduces capacity, so it's even more overcrowded, and ...

London Commuter   04/08/2017 at 22:23

Bakerloo Line Phase 1-Lewisham to Hayes. Bakerloo Line Phase 2-Lewisham to Bromley North via Grove Park.

Boris   10/08/2017 at 01:22

Andrew, you do not need to comment again under a different name.

Geoff Arnaud Louis Demprunt   14/08/2017 at 23:51

It's a travesty that certain people promise the World to get votes in the north. I'm with you on that. HS2 is a waste of money, better links in the north, changes on the Rugby Aylesbury line and an enlarged Marylebone Station, would have solved many of the problems at a lower cost. London will add a million people soon and many lines are at capacity but the revenue they generate justifies the expenditure. Has some genius done an Algorithm on the minimum stop time? The Victoria Line Extension I propose also helps South Londoners with a connection to Thameslink at Herne Hill. Everything takes too long, local developers should be charged per plot for the infrastructure, interests rates are low borrow and invest, the thinking is more Basil Brush than Bazelgette.

Torsten Krebs   29/01/2018 at 12:19

Extending the Bakerloo line as proposed is essential. Better integration and use of existing facilities preferable to building new ones WITHIN CAPACITY constraints. I'm disappointed that there does not appear to have been any discussion about extending the Metropolitan line to Tower gateway (which should be underground), Bermondsey, Old Kent rd...