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New GWR Class 802 IETs leave Italy bound for Devon and Cornwall

The first of a new fleet of Intercity Express Trains set to run on GWR routes in Devon and Cornwall have been completed in Italy.

Hitachi will send the initial two bi-mode Class 802s across Europe and through the channel tunnel to join three other prototypes in the south west of England for testing.

The units are to be delivered as part of a wider fleet of trains following on from the introduction of GWR’s first wave of IETs which debuted on the Great Western Main Line toward the end of last year.

While these trains are now in use on services, between London and a number of other major cities, the new fleet is expected to run from the capital on the operator’s coastal routes, through Devon and Cornwall.

“We know how important the railway is to the economies and communities of the South West, and today marks another significant milestone in delivering the improvements we know our passengers wish to see,” said Mark Hopwood, managing director at GWR.

“These trains have been privately financed and will help us deliver faster, more frequent services into the South West with no cost to the taxpayer.”

While the previous Class 800 IETs were manufactured at Hitachi’s Newton Aycliffe facility, this latest set has been put together in Italy in order to deal with the capacity of these orders.

Both of the new trains being delivered are five-car sets, but of the 34 others expected to be delivered, GWR has 22 five-car sets and 14 nine-car sets.

Top image: GWR

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Andrew Gwilt   12/02/2018 at 18:46

But most people would want to ask is “are the seats comfortable?”. I mean I have no problem with seats when new trains are being built. But it’s just the fuzzy ones that complains a lot. I think Hitachi have done a wonderful job on manufacturing the new Class 800 and Class 802 Bi-Mode and Class 801 Electric IET’s for GWR and VTEC. With more Bi-Mode Class 802’s to be built for TPE and Hull Trains. And the Scotrail Class 385 AT200 EMU’s to enter service in March.

Jimbo   12/02/2018 at 21:58

Seats again Andrew? Have you actually been on an IEP? The seats are harder than they are on the HST's (which already had hard seats), which many people won't like, particularly if they are traveling for several hours, so of course they are going to complain. Unlike you, they don't care what sort of train it is, or how new it is, they just want to be comfortable and they do not find the new seats comfortable. IEP was specified by the government and costs a lot more than equivalent trains - they are far more to buy as the Pendelino's on the WCML for a worse train. The seats are cheap and nasty because they had to save money somewhere. So we are having trains that are slower (whilst on diesel power), less comfortable but cost a lot more - how is that good value for money? What was the point in replacing the old trains? Andrew, rather than thinking that new trains are good and old trains are bad, you actually have to look at what you are getting and whether it is an improvement or not. In this case, it is not an improvement.

Andrew Gwilt   12/02/2018 at 22:42

Probably you are right Jimbo.

Train Enthusiast   13/02/2018 at 05:16

The total of Hitachi (AT300) IET rolling stocks. Great Western Railway: 36 Class 800/0’s, 21 Class 800/3’s, 22 Class 802/0’s and 14 Class 802/1’s. 5 and 9-Car formation. Known as “Super Express”. Virgin Trains East Coast: 13 Class 800/1’s, 10 Class 800/2’s, 12 Class 801/1’s and 30 Class 801/2’s. 5 and 9 Car formation. Known as “Azuma/Super Express”. Transpennine Express: 19 Class 802/2’s. 5 Car formation. Known as AT300 “Super Express”. Hull Trains: 5 Class 802/3’s. 5 Car formation. Known as AT300 “Super Express”.

Grumpy Old Passenger   13/02/2018 at 11:33

Oh come off it. Who really does care about the seats if the seats on these brand new trains are too hard or very comfortable. All trains have seats that are either comfortable, uncomfortable or bit of both. It’s what makes traveling on trains more appealing when traveling from A to B.

Ampox   13/02/2018 at 13:09

Statistics show most passengers outside commuter areas are travelling for leisure purposes. Comfortable seats that line up with windows are a big attraction - probably generate more revenue than pennies saved on less comfortable seats.

Paul   13/02/2018 at 16:56

Gwilt fires off again from a position of absolute stupidity and indifference to what passengers really want. Of course comfort is important when travelling, by whatever mode. What is so irritating is that all other modes generally seek improvement whereas the Rail Industry, probably suffering from an overdose in historic passenger demand increase (but no longer!) and Dft interference (from a position of greater ignorance), is happy to give it's fare paying passengers the cheapest, hardest and most uncomfortable seats. Anybody who is happy with this shameless ill-treatment and indifference must be mad! But then Gwilt returns like a bad dream under various other names ("Train Enthusiast") to yet again bang on about stock allocations (yawn!) and a supposedly "Grumpy Old Passenger". Give us a break....PLEASE!!

Andrew Gwilt   13/02/2018 at 19:07

How did you guess it was me Paul. :@

Andrew Gwilt   13/02/2018 at 19:11

know* correction.

Ivan   13/02/2018 at 21:51

@Paul Somebody recently described Gwilt’s online excrescences here and at numerous other rail-related sites as “infestations”. The analogy seems very apt.

Simon Eames1990   13/02/2018 at 22:23

Sure the 802s are better bi-modes than 800s but I believe extending the electrification from Newbury to Exeter St Davids will prove better wise mainly for Penzance services.

Andrew Gwilt   13/02/2018 at 23:28

“infestations”. Get a grip Ivan. The only thing I don’t comment on is forums.

Train Enthusiast Enthusiast   14/02/2018 at 15:21

Perhaps 802s to test on the routes to Penzance and Plymouth, with HSTs moving to Greater Anglia Why are they building the 802s in Italy when they have a factory in Newton Aycliffe for the rolling stocks? And the hard seats are better than the ones in the Greater Western Mk 3 coaches being replaced by Bombardier Aventras. I guarantee they will go to East Midlands Trains to be joined by Greater Anglia rolling stocks that are being replaced with Bombardier Aventras. For your information.

Train Enthusiast Enthusiast   14/02/2018 at 15:24

I meant HSTs moving to East Midlands Trains and Scotrail. Ffs.

Jim   14/02/2018 at 19:08

Andrew - just out of simple curiosity, why do you use so many different names? Just for fun or is this more of a split personality scenario?

Mark Stay   14/02/2018 at 23:45

@ Jim. Not only does he use a multitude of names, but no-one can understand what the hell he is on about most of the time....ffs!

Andrew Gwilt   15/02/2018 at 01:03

@Mark Stay. I have a good knowledge about the railways thank you very much.

Revolting Peasant   15/02/2018 at 12:39

'Perhaps 802s to test on the routes to Penzance and Plymouth, with HSTs moving to Greater Anglia.' - No, this is not happening, Greater Anglia's fleet plan is well known and does not feature HSTs. 'Why are they building the 802s in Italy when they have a factory in Newton Aycliffe for the rolling stocks?' - because Aycliffe is fully committed building other fleets, and the factory in Pistoia has capacity to do the work. 'And the hard seats are better than the ones in the Greater Western Mk 3 coaches being replaced by Bombardier Aventras. I guarantee they will go to East Midlands Trains to be joined by Greater Anglia rolling stocks that are being replaced with Bombardier Aventras.' - your guarantee is worthless and completely without foundation. Greater Anglia's fleet strategy is known (see above), and the bids have not been submitted for the East Midlands franchise yet, so your assertion is utterly worthless. 'I have a good knowledge about the railways thank you very much.' - Noted.

Andrew Gwilt   16/02/2018 at 18:25

Taking the ps aren’t you Revolting Peasant. Idiot. Oh what joy that I cause so much agro with getting the blame no matter what I comment. Thanks.

Not Andrew Gwilt   17/02/2018 at 13:55

Well Andrew, try making constructive, intelligent and relative comments then rather than the balderdash you bombard us all with now!

Andrew Gwilt   19/02/2018 at 08:48

Sod off troll.

Allhailthegwilt   19/02/2018 at 12:40

"Sod off troll." Constructive and intelligent comment right there, awesome!

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